” I do not remember, but the problem is clear — the forests are too crowded…”, Here you go. Cuz I’m, ya know, ok with it. But, lately, I'm starting to think these California refugees have made a wise choice. The Ethel Merman character remarks at one point about “15 million people in California” The place filmed great back then even around Bakersfield it looked all sunny and clean. Just about everything he said in this article is untrue of Tulare County California. Unsurprisingly, more than 70% of those leaving are doing so for work. ”. The only useful things that ever came out of Berkeley are BSD and LSD. Haha. If I’m nailed with a massive fine due to not cutting power that “led” to a fire, I’m going to cut power quickly and over a massive area to avoid a repeat. At least if they were still in Cali, *some* of that money would be put back into the community. To tell you the truth, if I was younger, I might well have chosen Idaho over Oregon, but being “over 65” I really didn’t want to deal with the cold and snow. LOL. Unless a good job comes my way. Press J to jump to the feed. We’re in the minority here. But, the rhetoric I have been hearing seems to be leaning towards State ownership/control over just about everything, with utilities the next big target. Leftists everywhere flee the *consequences* of their policies, but always make sure to back those same policies in their bags when they move. I’ve been to all 58 counties and still love the terrain, climate, culture and beaches. Thinks he’s Ethel Merman.”. clips.twitch.tv/Chilly... Aris. | But I own a home here, and this is where all the techie jobs are. Yes, the lesson that lax regulatory regimes make states wealthy; overregulation destroys the economy, destroys the social fabric, and causes people to move away and impoverishes states. I’ve heard that black migration from the north and west to places like Mississippi and Alabama, the homes of their (great) grandparents, is something of a trend. Many who have left in recent years say they simply couldn’t afford to stay. I just HAVE to respond. We’re stuck with the gas prices, but little else. (Tax cuts and exemptions are so good that Reason supports them without corresponding budget cuts!) It’s lack of water because not enough dams. Where do you plan to import a conservative replacement population from? The first time I visited California, it was dazzling. Put PG&E to shame. I always thought about Oregon, but Portland has become far crazier than San Fransisco could ever imagine. I've been to all 58 counties and still love the terrain, climate, culture and beaches. The libs who proudly CA hold over red states as some blue city on a hill don’t realize that a sliver of the population contributes most of the revenue. But I understand Oregon is not much better, from a political perspective. Is that why you parrot the same phrases in every shitpost? This is true. I just now realized that this comment was from Kirkland. Close. Is this the beginning of the end of journalism? We're a long way from the Gold Rush, when fortune-seekers from around the world tripled California's population in a flash. The fleeing Californicators remind me of the fleeing Muslims. > they are a utility, and, supposedly, can’t even sneeze without the government’s approval. CA probably wasn’t the only State doing that. A whole LOT of somebodies may be left out. They’ll blame the “capitalist” power company instead of the government monopoly system. Such ideas used to be heresy. Nigga, you don’t pay shit. That is, literally, over three times what I paid in Oregon for a house over three times as big. Why is Everyone Leaving CALIFORNIA, and Where Are They Leaving To? Obviously, I simplify. You can't dispute the reality of substantially worst traffic in the last 2-3 years. I want to see the entire I-5 corridor from San Diego all the way north to Seattle fall into the earth). A guy from California is feeling kinda horny so he asks a friend if he knows some place where he can get his itch scratched, the friend gives him an address and tells him, “Go to this place and knock on the door and tell them what you want and they’ll take care of you.” So the guy goes to the address, knocks on the door, and a voice on the other side asks, “What do you want?” “I want to get fucked”, the guy replies. Digg. U.S. Census Bureau numbers show that the middle- and lower-classes are leaving California at a higher rate than the wealthy. It’s a shame what people like you have done to the place that was once a shining beacon of liberty and opportunity. Is there some linguistic metric whereby someone can determine race by how someone writes English? Ethel Merman played the mother-in-law of Milton Berle. In southern California near the ocean, anyway. However, if you feel specifically called to stay, then that is what you should do. Forums. Not that I would mind if roughly 20M or so people left the state, but I didn’t believe it then and I don’t believe it now. Violent crime is much, much lower, and homicide rates are about forty-percent lower than CA and the national average. We still have Prop 13, and it won’t go away any time soon despite proggies wishes. Governor-elect Gavin Newsom said “the future belongs to California” during his victory speech on November 6. But the proggies need to get out of the way to let it happen, instead of them centralizing everything even more than it is. Probably not though. Taxing people to pay others to live out of state is pretty un-American, too, contract or no. How do we know? California has been inching toward the 40 million mark for some time but hasn't reached it. Back when Reason was a pro-market publication, this article would have condemned the devastating effect of federal immigration policies on California farm labor. NEXT: Gemini Man Is an Extended Visit to the Uncanny Valley. “California used to be conservative. and fault the “elites” for preferring reason, education, tolerance, reality, inclusivity, and modernity. To be sure, people of color and the trans community have been unfairly targeted for power outages. Nick Johnson says… Here’s where everyone’s going and why. And Portland is big enough it can sway the whole state. At social events, people always talk about the states where they are considering moving. I am sure some people are leaving, but many more must be coming here. From pictures I’ve seen, Idaho can definitely give CA a run for its money scenery-wise, but I’ve never lived anywhere where it snowed, and Idaho may a bit jumping-in-the-deep-end that-wise. AlbertP certainly doesn’t write like a black person, but it’s possible. Here in Maine the leaves are turning. Is the correct? Glad you made it out! Yet, everyone looks to California as if it’s a trailblazer. The recent power outage shit isn’t helping matters. But even Los Angeles is is fairly moderate when you count in the surrounding suburbs and tack on Orange County. The lowest and highest places in the 48 states are 60 miles apart, in California. A new study by Atlas Van Lines that tracked various migration patterns throughout the country found that more Americans are moving to Idaho than any other state. Usually, it’s about all those damn Californians moving in. That’s pretty much what it boils down to. And you guys have a lot of rich people around. I agree, generally, on municipally-owned utilities, but I have seen at least one so profit-driven that they make PGE seem like a charity. I would like to think it won’t. I now understand why I got a contract that limited my ability to leave and I can fully extend my middle digit in their direction in just a brief few months. Businesses aren't going to respond by hiring everyone as permanent workers. Oh, I certainly prefer “reason, education, tolerance, reality, inclusivity, and modernity”. You do realize that every single one of those people fleeing the consequences of progressive policies has no fucking clue that there’s any connection whatsoever between the progressive policies and the consequences of those policies, right? | | As a side benefit, a lot of the illegal workers would also leave. Whether that was 1/3 as many trees, or 1/9, I do not remember, but the problem is clear — the forests are too crowded, the trees are starving for water, and the damned greenies are to blame for the dry forests being such tinder boxes. By the time the 90’s rolled around, the politics had become untenable, but, hey, family and friends still kept me here. I think Chip Brown stole my edibles. Hi, im new to this fanbase and subbredit. Come visit Colorado. By then, of course, California already ceased to be the magnet it was in earlier decades. Bought a 3000 sq/ft home and in a really nice neighborhood. | The state is vastly underbuilding the number of housing units it needs even to keep up with its slowing population. Real Californians may blame the Leftist Okies and Woodie Guthrie fans for California’s increasing list to the port side. Californians are weird because they live in a place that is like a bubble, separated from the rest of the USA. There’s a particular perversion among progressives now that verges on some form of acknowledgement that their cultish wokeness and entitled nature is bad, but actually it’s those other progressives that are bad and they are somehow different and better. If you want rain, live in the north; drier areas are only a few hours away. Regulations and fees can add 40 percent or more to the cost of every new house. Because the media are Democrats too. It’s overblown. We’ve reached the tipping point, where California’s progressive political imperatives are having such glaring real-world repercussions that it’s hard to keep ignoring them. The fault is with the entire system — PGE has been demonstrably reckless in maintaining their systems, whether it be natural gas or electricity. And, isn’t taxing people’s incomes who have no representation sort of “anti-American?”. What do you do for work? RELATED: Ben Shapiro Announces He Is Voting for Trump After Not Voting for Him in 2016 - Here's Why. You think you’ve got the best scenery? It used to be the California Dream. That allows the state to blame the private owners, and take their stuff. amen. Long Summers– Everyone knows Californians love their summertime. In case you haven’t heard, a TON of people are fleeing California. Get out of the crazy bay area and it’s not that bad. People started in with “this is it – people are giving up on CA!”. The international epicenter of entertainment and home of the World Champion Dodgers and Lakers, as well as the Kings, Rams, Angels, Chargers, LAFC, Clippers, and Galaxy..... we also have wildfires, earthquakes, movie stars, television studios, music, world-class food, beaches, mountains, traffic jams, museums, theme parks, and the most beautiful Redditors of all time. As for those social conservatives leaving California: No one will miss you. They can change again. As for the CA transplants, people pro And just wait until lawmakers make good on their promise to provide single-payer healthcare. Last month I GOT chek of nearly 83000$,this online work is simple and straightforward, don’t have to go OFFICE, Its home online job.You become independent after joining this JOB. I’ll remember to laugh my ass off when your house is burned up in a wildfire or destroyed by an earthquake (when exactly is the big one supposed to hit? California is a failed state. Don’t you know it! Actually, I had heard that before, as well. You might be pleasantly surprised. California sucks now. Most people in this state are NOT extreme progressives. Cardenas-Lopez isn’t alone. The conservative voters mentioned taxes and California’s political climate as a reason for leaving more frequently than they cited housing.”, https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-27/who-wants-to-leave-california-berkeley-igs-poll. It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World was filmed in 1963. But keep trying, maybe you’ll get there. Won’t be too much longer where a power outage doesn’t impact me. On the other hand, they are a utility, and, supposedly, can’t even sneeze without the government’s approval — at least that is what the public is supposed to believe. Californians, please never leave your progressive utopia! Well, fortunately for you, Kirkland, that’s not a mistake you are likely, or even capable, of making. Anyone who reads his posts would be repelled by his ideology. Our homeless population is out of control because even they want to live here too. My apologies. The question of why they are leaving probably has as many answers as there are migrants. Reddit. A growing number of Californians are contemplating moving from the state due to the sky-high cost of living, with sentiment highest among millennial residents, according to … They can change again. But, to see Oregon’s side of it, consider my case, that is, if the law was the same now and CA was taxing my pension as income — Oregon would be, essentially, paying me about $200 a month to live in their State where I will spend about $4000 a month. 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And, considering that they don’t have to cough up any State monies for my healthcare or any other support, and I am not taking up anybody else’s job, because I don’t work, it seems to be a pretty sound investment. Hmmmm, so not having bums shitting on your sidewalks is a bad thing? “Don’t move to another state, though, until you find out what their residents are complaining about.”. I have spent time in Idaho — absolutely beautiful country. The most common reason i see is "the rebranding". Thanks for that concern there, bucko! It’s a shame this article attributes the wrong reasons to make political points. Most of the infrastructure in the state is fine, however. Yet I am fascinated every time I cross the predominately grassy parts of the Dakotas, Nebraska, Wyoming, Colorado and Montana, none of which are really all that flat. “PG&E is a terrible bureaucracy, but holding them to blame for fires, especially the Camp Fire, is ridiculous. Nothing bad could come from that….. What do you have against black people, Artie? I thought about moving. Comments do not represent the views of Reason.com or Reason Foundation. I expect not well. So, I traded a nice house in the mountains for a nicer house five minutes from the ocean in Oregon. Someday you should try being less of an arrogant jerk and go visit some of them. No income tax here. Absolutely. Both hurt, but at least I don’t have to suffer the pain of another person leaving me. Matt Welch Our property taxes are reasonable, thanks to Proposition 13, but liberal groups are gunning for its protections on commercial properties in a 2020 ballot measure. Time to encourage the formation of the state of Jefferson and get them out of that abusive relationship. Most of that “noise” comes out of Portland. California used to be conservative. So no, I’m not leaving. I am sure some people are leaving, but many more must be coming here. The Golden Gate Bridge in California. And Portland’s influence doesn’t seem to be nearly as strong, at least not yet, to the influence of CA’s combination of San Francisco, the Bay Area in general, and the LA megalopolis. Personally, I just see a confused, one-party state. Communism and fascism are as alive today as then. So does bright flight. I remember a picture of Lake Tahoe after being clearcut for the Nevada silver mines. The United States was virtually alone in keeping schools closed this fall. We mostly meet lots of Californians here who wanted to move to a more conservative state. Look at how many responses the rev gets! I especially love the progress that gives us electricity that can just suddenly be turned off for two or three days at a time! And I *loathe* this state. Seriously, don’t spend all of that progress in one place! Not to mention Chinese box office reciepts and manufacturing for their tech gazoos. Now, it's the California nightmare. Arthur L. Hicklib burps out NPC response #7. This should be interesting! All it takes is a big economic nutpunch, or extended power outage, or homeless fiasco, and people start waking up. As a public utility they can fuck up major and still get away from it. Also, for the record, I am certainly not “special” just because I happened to be born in the heartland of this nation. I’ve also learned a ton and most of it lies in the fact that there it’s better to starve elsewhere than to even taste the warm hideous teat of Cali. The rev is a parody account. Hell, let’s take the parenting even more out of the child-rearing process, yes? And taking the heat for higher rates. Many who have left in recent years say they simply couldn’t afford to stay. Why is everyone leaving California? Losing the culture war has consequences. Looks like “bright flight” in reverse to me. It is $2.10 here now. Holy shit, man – that’s one for the grandkids! “I love California, but it’s just not the Golden State in my eyes anymore,” she said. Everyone I know there was for Beto over Cruz, I wonder how they feel about that decision today. Was there nobody double-checking? When I told my wife the exciting news, she asked if we were going to weigh the pros and cons of such a big move from our cozy Ohio town to sprawling Southern California. Grade school is 80% Hispanic now – and that’s in rosedale (affluent area that white people go (before they move to Houston)). Wish I did it sooner as real estate here is climbing. Distilleries just learned that to cap off a brutal year, the FDA is charging them a fee normally reserved for drug manufacturing facilities. Not only sailed, but out at sea and sinking. I don’t like to make sweeping generalizations, but New Yorkers have a bad reputation for a reason. I don’t think they will be contented with local ownership, unless they, of course, own the local government lol. Or gazed down into Crater Lake. Places with sea ports are typically more liberal and cosmopolitan. But many people don't want to be 9-5 wage slaves and prefer piecing together various contract jobs. No complaints from the CEOs and all the money the politicians want to “help the homeless” whose numbers increase far faster than the economy that supports them. A journalism job in California is a launch pad for a career, no matter how distasteful that might seem to some of us. Loved it. 56% Upvoted. I totally understood why people would want to live there, even with all the traffic. A center for creative industries and new technology—look at its impressive rollout of electric vehicles and autonomous cars—it’s also a diverse state, pushing progressive policies that could be models for the rest of the country. Rogan had previously complained about … Yeah. If a decent job opportunity came up I would definitely resettle. You don’t have to imagine. Someone just stepping in and saying “hey, let’s just make all this free!” will only inspire a brief fit of laughter before the ongoing funding discussions continue. Gasoline prices are $1.29 a gallon more than the national average. So?”. Why the fuck are these people getting paid by Californians to shit up the nice, low-cost of living, high-trust communities that they’re moving to out of state? Oh yes, and I nearly moved to a place in Eastern Montana, where two feet of snow is considered “above average.” But don’t worry — I am now addicted to a “low” typical winter temp of about 40 degrees and where a summer high of 78 degrees is “blistering heat.” (Where I lived before the range was more like low-twenties to highs in the low 100’s.). Severe shell-shock. Aris. Well, while the funding structure of State pensions in CA is abominable and untenable, hey, it’s a contract. It’s perfect, it leaves Google, Amazon and Microsoft profits alone while robbing their employees. Dude, were you violently beaten as a child? When apparently it is probably more just a reversion to the norm. Yeah. If you’re there for the geography, you can avoid a lot of that. We all know about our nationally high tax burdens. Why do you express glee at them moving elsewhere and trashing those states, too? Surely Reason is not falling back into that swamp?! This is absolutely true. I was there, east of the town of Paradise, and signed up on three different “emergency notification” systems, I received not one notification. We've reached the tipping point, where California's progressive political imperatives are having such glaring real-world repercussions that it's hard to keep ignoring them. Everyone is piling on California these days, and for many valid reasons. for everyone that movers out 1.5 immigrants from other countries move in which is why traffic and housing prices do not improve. That was probably at it’s peak. Gold Member. You can’t blame them. And, given the nature of unions in CA, it won’t change until it self-destructs. Jacob Grier | One can only imagine what you would do when you reached a critical mass in other states. Wyoming is the best state EVER! But the weather here is a whole lot better. 12.28.2020 4:10 PM, © 2020 Reason Foundation | So PG&E got to subsidize a private, for-profit supply market while its prices for the end-user were capped, which then led to the rolling blackouts that people still blame on “Privatization.”, “Trouble being, last time we tried that (as I’m sure you remember) the supply market was privatized, but as an end-user you still had to go through PG&E, whose rates were set by the PUC. Run by Republicans, populated by ready-for-replacement clingers.”. There’s an advantage to having a legislature that meets for 140 days every two years, and under the Texas Constitution has to spend most of its time balancing the biennial budget. re: Why Is Everyone Leaving California? Endless orchards. They want to spread progressivism throughout the US so no one will be able to escape it by voting with their feet. But I want to own a home. 4 minutes ago #42 This is … I guess your Thorazine shot wore off, and you managed to dodge the orderlies long enough to post on the internet again. I want to say it's a bot that has a human post on the account every so often to throw off the scent. I’ve lived in seven states plus the District of Columbia and, quite frankly, the rest of the country seems drab in comparison to California. The recent power outage shit isn’t helping matters. These progressive enclaves need to get real, fast, on the need for new housing supply, if they’re going to do anything about outmigration. 5 minutes ago #41 This is premium content. Haha. . And a … Recently, Gov. Tt was a “perfect storm” of systematic failure: while I was driving through flames, at one point, literally, a tunnel of flames, and all fire and safety personnel in the area were driving the other way, into the fire, to help people get out, the 911 system was still reporting that there were no evacuation orders and no fires reported. So, you’ve lived in 14% of states and have concluded, for all to see, that “the rest of the country seems drab in comparison to California.”. Here’s where everyone’s going and why. No, the small towns in Arizona are decidedly NOT Democrat, and I ought to know, since I live in one... nothing but Trump signs and bumper stickers everywhere. I left central CA seven years ago for the following reasons: * Poor economy. Come 2020, I’m free of the oppression of Sud Cali! I reluctantly took a decade long contract at the depth of the recession and it’s almost up. Or gone fishing off the Florida Keys. All this without any of CA’s “common-sense” gun-control laws. The job market in central CA was depressing. I won’t tell you where or you might want to move here! People of Berkeley outraged at suggestion that they ‘rely on their own resources.’. “Reason” would have condemned the effects of TraitorRapistNazi’s ‘easy to win’ trade war on the ports in California. The state government and the UCs and CSUs have already been haggling over fees and funding sources for decades. I am sure some people are leaving, but many more must be coming here. Don’t change a thing, old man. I mean, if you go by net balance of payments from the federal government, California and Texas are nearly equal (ranks 39 and 38, respectively). So, where was the State of California’s Public Utilities Commission when PGE workers were falsifying or altering work and repair orders? If it hit the lower class burbs like it usually does, no one would have noticed. For some redstater to tell me to leave my home because there are more of one political party here than another is fucking bullshit. The national median home price is around $227,000. It’s all about illegals’ rights these days. Or seen Old Faithful explode and gone bathing in its surrounding hot springs. The new trend is for tech contractors to work for companies in California, but live in red states with low cost of living, like Idaho. We have the technology for a feasible private market in energy, no natural monopoly required. However, once I retired, and with a little nudge from a fire which burned out the homes of most of my friends, and with my parents having passed-on, there was not one rational reason to stay. 12.31.2020 5:29 PM, Matt Welch States like Texas and Florida attract migration because of their lower local taxes, which are really just subsidized by money they receive from the federal government. 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